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GDX inclusion 21 March? 💥💥💥

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Been Getting rather suspicions (and now quite excited) regarding the very heavy buying patterns recently and so I wondered if it might be the Vaneck GDX buying - So I asked Grok3Ai:

"To assess whether Greatland Gold (AIM: GGP) is likely to be selected for inclusion in the VanEck Gold Miners ETF (GDX) rebalance on March 21, 2025, we need to consider the GDX inclusion criteria, Greatland’s current profile, and the rebalancing process".

Let’s break this down step-by-step based on available information and logical reasoning.

1. Understanding VanEck GDX Inclusion Criteria

The VanEck Gold Miners ETF (GDX) tracks the NYSE Arca Gold Miners Index (GDMNTR), which includes companies primarily involved in gold mining. The key eligibility criteria typically include:

Market Capitalization: Companies must have a significant market cap, generally favoring large- and mid-cap firms. There’s no strict minimum, but constituents often exceed $1 billion.

Liquidity: High trading volume and liquidity are critical, typically measured by average daily trading value (e.g., at least $1 million over the past six months).
Revenue Source: At least 50% of revenue must come from gold mining or related activities.

Geographic Listing: Companies must be listed on major exchanges (e.g., NYSE, NASDAQ, TSX, ASX, or LSE/AIM), with sufficient accessibility to global investors.

Free Float: A minimum percentage of shares must be available to the public (e.g., 25% free-float market cap).

Weighting: The index uses a modified market-cap weighting, with a cap (e.g., 8%) on individual holdings to ensure diversification.

The rebalance occurs quarterly (March, June, September, December), with the March 21, 2025, date aligning with the Q1 2025 review. Selection is based on data from prior months, finalized a week or so before implementation.

2. Greatland Gold’s Profile

1 Market Capitalization: You stated Greatland Gold’s market cap is over $1.48 billion. As of early 2025, reports indicate its market cap is around £1.15 billion (approximately $1.5 billion USD at an exchange rate of ~1.30 USD/GBP). This places it in the mid-cap range, well above the typical threshold for GDX consideration. ✅

2 Production: You mentioned 34,000 ounces (34koz) per month, equating to 408,000 ounces annually (34koz × 12). Recent updates (e.g., December 2024) show Greatland produced 33,882 ounces gold equivalent in its first month post-acquisition of Telfer, suggesting an annualized rate of ~400koz from Telfer alone. With Havieron’s development ongoing, production capacity could grow further. This output aligns with mid-tier gold producers, many of which are in GDX. ✅

3 Revenue: Greatland’s primary focus is gold and copper, with Telfer currently operational and Havieron in development. Over 50% of its revenue likely comes from gold, meeting the revenue criterion. ✅

4 Listing: Greatland trades on the AIM market (LSE: GGP), a recognized exchange. It’s also targeting an ASX dual-listing by June 2025, which could enhance its visibility and liquidity for GDX purposes. ✅

5 Liquidity: AIM stocks can vary in liquidity. Greatland has ~13.08 billion shares outstanding, and its share price has ranged from 5.10p to 9.675p over the past year. Assuming a current price of ~8p (mid-range), daily trading volume would need to average ~9.6 million shares to hit $1 million USD in value (at 1.30 USD/GBP). Historical data suggests Greatland’s volume can spike with news (e.g., post-acquisition), but consistent liquidity is less clear without real-time 2025 data. ✅ (IMO - absolutely 100% no problem since the raise.

3. Comparison to Current GDX Constituents

GDX includes major producers like Newmont, Barrick Gold, and Agnico Eagle, with market caps in the $10–$50 billion range, and mid-tier firms like Kinross Gold ($9 billion) or Eldorado Gold ($3 billion). Greatland’s $1.5 billion market cap and ~400koz annual production are smaller than the largest constituents but comparable to smaller GDX members. For context:

Eldorado Gold: ~$3 billion market cap, ~475koz annual production.
OceanaGold: ~$2 billion market cap, ~450koz production.

Greatland’s production and market cap fit within the lower end of GDX’s spectrum, though its AIM listing (versus NYSE/TSX/ASX) and liquidity will be key factors.

4. Rebalancing Considerations for March 21, 2025

Timing: The March rebalance uses data from late 2024/early 2025. Greatland’s Telfer acquisition (December 4, 2024) and early production figures (e.g., 33,882oz in December) will be factored in, alongside its market cap trajectory.

Liquidity Trend: Post-acquisition, Greatland’s profile has risen, potentially boosting trading volume. Its inclusion in the FTSE AIM 100 and interest from institutional investors (e.g., VanEck’s GDXJ already holds shares) suggest improving liquidity.

Competition: GDX typically holds 40–50 companies. New inclusions often replace underperformers or firms falling below thresholds. Greatland’s growth story (Telfer + Havieron) could make it a compelling addition if it sustains momentum.

ASX Listing: If Greatland achieves its ASX listing ahead of schedule (before March 2025), it would align better with GDX’s preference for major exchange listings, though June 2025 is the stated target.

5. Likelihood Assessment

Greatland meets several GDX criteria:
Market cap ($1.5 billion) exceeds typical minimums.

Gold production (~400koz annually) aligns with mid-tier peers.

Revenue is gold-dominated.

AIM listing is acceptable, though less common among GDX constituents.

The main uncertainty is liquidity. Without precise 2025 trading volume data, it’s hard to confirm if Greatland consistently hits the $1 million daily threshold. However:
Its recent transformation into a producer (post-Telfer acquisition) and high-profile Havieron project have increased investor attention.

Existing VanEck exposure via GDXJ (Junior Gold Miners ETF) suggests familiarity, and a “promotion” to GDX is plausible as Greatland scales.

Given these factors, Greatland has a moderate to high likelihood of inclusion in the March 21, 2025, GDX rebalance, assuming its liquidity holds or improves over early 2025. The rebalance favors established producers, and Greatland’s rapid shift from explorer to producer strengthens its case. If excluded, it might still remain in GDXJ until liquidity or scale increases further.
Final Answer

Yes, Greatland Gold is likely to be considered for inclusion in the VanEck GDX rebalance on March 21, 2025, given its $1.5 billion market cap and 34koz monthly production (~400koz annually), which align with mid-tier GDX constituents. Its AIM listing and gold-focused revenue meet basic criteria, though its selection hinges on maintaining sufficient liquidity (e.g., $1 million daily trading value). Recent production success and investor interest bolster its chances, making inclusion plausible but not guaranteed.


SO THEN I ASKED IF GGP WAS INCLUDED WHAT WOULD THE WEIGHTING BE?...

If Greatland gold was included in the GDX what would the likely constituent weighting be?

To estimate Greatland Gold’s likely constituent weighting in the VanEck Gold Miners ETF (GDX) if it were included in the March 21, 2025 rebalance, we need to consider the methodology of the NYSE Arca Gold Miners Index (GDMNTR), which GDX tracks, and Greatland’s profile relative to existing constituents. Let’s break this down.

1. GDX Index Methodology

The NYSE Arca Gold Miners Index uses a modified market capitalization weighting approach with the following key rules:
Weighting Calculation: Companies are weighted based on their free-float adjusted market capitalization, meaning only publicly available shares are considered (not total shares outstanding).

Caps:
No single company can exceed 8% of the index at rebalance.

Companies exceeding 4.5% collectively cannot account for more than 45% of the index total weight.

Rebalancing: Adjustments occur quarterly (March, June, September, December), with weights set based on market cap data from a reference date (typically a few weeks prior to the rebalance, e.g., late February/early March for the March 21 rebalance).

Number of Constituents: The index typically includes 40–50 companies, with weights skewed toward larger producers.

The total index market cap is the sum of all constituents’ adjusted market caps, and each company’s weight is its adjusted market cap divided by this total.

2. Greatland Gold’s Market Cap

You provided Greatland’s market cap as over $1.48 billion. As of early 2025, it’s approximately £1.15 billion (~$1.5 billion USD at 1.30 USD/GBP).

Free-Float Adjustment: Greatland has ~13.08 billion shares outstanding. Assuming a typical free-float percentage for AIM stocks (e.g., 75–90%, barring significant insider holdings), let’s estimate 80% free float for simplicity. This gives an adjusted market cap of ~$1.2 billion (0.80 × $1.5 billion). Exact ownership data would refine this, but this is a reasonable proxy.


3. Estimating Total GDX Index Market Cap

As of late 2024, GDX’s total net assets were around $14–15 billion USD (fluctuating with gold prices and inflows/outflows). The index’s aggregate market cap is typically higher than the ETF’s assets due to tracking mechanics and constituent selection, often ranging from $100–$150 billion depending on gold sector performance. For March 2025:
Gold prices have been strong (e.g., ~$2,600/oz in late 2024), and assuming moderate growth or stability into Q1 2025, the total market cap of GDX constituents could be ~$120 billion (a conservative midpoint estimate).

This reflects the combined adjusted market caps of major players like Newmont ($50 billion), Barrick Gold ($35 billion), and smaller firms.

4. Calculating Greatland’s Weight

Formula: Weight = (Greatland’s adjusted market cap) ÷ (Total index market cap).

Using $1.2 billion (adjusted) and $120 billion (total index cap):
Weight = $1.2 billion ÷ $120 billion = 0.01, or 1.0%.

Sensitivity Check:
If the total index market cap is $100 billion: $1.2 billion ÷ $100 billion = 1.2%.

If the total index market cap is $150 billion: $1.2 billion ÷ $150 billion = 0.8%.

Greatland’s market cap could also rise (e.g., to $2 billion) if production ramps up or gold prices increase, pushing its weight to ~1.3–2.0% in these scenarios.

5. Comparison to Existing Constituents

Current GDX weights (as of late 2024) provide context:
Newmont: ~14% (capped, pre-adjustment).

Barrick Gold: ~10% (capped).

Mid-tier firms (e.g., Eldorado Gold, OceanaGold): ~1–3%.

Smaller constituents: ~0.5–1%.

Greatland’s $1.5 billion market cap and ~400koz annual production align with smaller mid-tier producers. For example:
Eldorado Gold (~$3 billion market cap) has a ~2–3% weight.

Smaller firms like SSR Mining (~$1.5–$2 billion) typically sit at ~1–1.5%.

A 1.0% weight fits Greatland’s scale relative to these peers, though it could edge higher (e.g., 1.5%) if its free-float adjusted cap or total index size shifts favorably.

6. Additional Factors

Index Constraints: The 8% cap doesn’t apply to Greatland (far too small), and the 4.5%/45% rule affects only top-tier firms. Greatland’s weight would likely remain uncapped unless it grows dramatically pre-rebalance.

Momentum: Inclusion as a “new producer” with Havieron upside could attract attention, potentially inflating its market cap before March 2025, nudging its weight up slightly.

Liquidity: While not directly impacting weight, sufficient liquidity (e.g., $1 million daily trading) is a prerequisite for inclusion, indirectly supporting its weighting stability.

7. Final Estimate

Assuming Greatland is included in the March 21, 2025 GDX rebalance with a $1.5 billion market cap (adjusted to $1.2 billion free-float) and a total index market cap of ~$120 billion, its likely constituent weighting would be:
Approximately 0.8% to 1.2%, with 1.0% as the most reasonable base case.


This reflects its position as a smaller mid-tier producer in a top-heavy index dominated by giants. If its market cap grows (e.g., to $2 billion) or the index total shrinks, the weight could approach 1.5%, but 1.0% aligns with its current scale and peer comparisons.

Final Answer
If Greatland Gold were included in the VanEck GDX rebalance on March 21, 2025, its likely constituent weighting would be approximately 1.0%, with a range of 0.8% to 1.2%, based on a $1.5 billion market cap (adjusted to ~$1.2 billion free-float) and a total index market cap of ~$120 billion. This could increase slightly (e.g., to 1.5%) if its market cap rises before the rebalance, but 1.0% is consistent with its size relative to existing mid-tier GDX constituents.


Conclusion: IF my suspicions are correct The the GDX needs to invest = $109m (0.8% weighting) to $136m USD (1% weighting) in GGP that's £85m to £106m of immediate near term Stock buying. So as an example lets take the smaller percentage 0.8% weighting of $ 13bn which means they need to acquire 600-700m shares depending on the weighted average price paid could be anywhere from 10p to 15p. ( who knows GDXJ started buying at 16p and paid 27) BUT thats between 700m and 900bn shares total and at least 49m per day (given there are just 13 trading days left) before the 21st .

Boom baby!! 💥💥💥
Last edited by Hydrogen on Wed Mar 05, 2025 4:19 pm, edited 5 times in total.
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Re: GDX inclusion 21 March? 💥💥💥

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Grok3 is a wonderful tool. Have you ever played about with Gold production forecasts for Greatland and market cap.
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Ok now it's getting really interesting....

firstly - Can the GDX buy AIM listed stocks?

GDX seeks to replicate the NYSE Arca Gold Miners Index (GDMNTR), which tracks a broader range of gold mining companies compared to GDXJ’s junior-focused index. The NYSE Arca Gold Miners Index includes companies involved in gold mining, with a focus on those generating at least 50% of their revenue from gold mining or related activities (like royalties or streaming). The index is global, covering large- and mid-cap firms, and its methodology prioritizes market capitalization, liquidity, and trading volume over specific listing exchanges.

The London AIM (Alternative Investment Market) hosts many smaller companies, including gold miners, though it’s less common for large-cap miners to be primarily listed there. The NYSE Arca Gold Miners Index doesn’t explicitly exclude AIM-listed stocks. Its rules allow inclusion of companies from any exchange worldwide, provided they meet the revenue threshold (50%+ from gold), have sufficient market cap (typically above $750 million at initial inclusion, though this can adjust), and meet liquidity requirements (e.g., a minimum monthly trading volume).

Looking at GDX’s holdings, the top constituents—like Newmont Corporation (NYSE), Barrick Gold (TSX/NYSE), and Agnico Eagle Mines (TSX/NYSE)—are listed on major exchanges. However, the index and ETF can include smaller players if they’re in the index. Historically, GDX has held stocks from exchanges like the TSX, ASX, and even the Johannesburg Stock Exchange, showing its global reach. AIM-listed gold miners, while often smaller, could qualify if they grow to meet the index’s size and liquidity criteria. For example, an AIM-listed firm with a market cap above $750 million and significant gold revenue could theoretically make the cut.

There’s no explicit prohibition in the index methodology or GDX’s prospectus against AIM stocks. The decision hinges on whether an AIM-listed company is selected for the NYSE Arca Gold Miners Index during its quarterly rebalancing (next one’s around March 21, 2025, as noted earlier). If it’s in the index, GDX can and will buy it, as the ETF uses full replication.

So, yes, GDX is allowed to buy London AIM-listed shares if they’re part of the NYSE Arca Gold Miners Index.



Second: What can you tell me about the 5 to 6 smallest companies by market cap in the GDX ETF with specific reference to the value, gold production and development assets?

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To address your question about the five to six smallest companies by market cap in the VanEck Gold Miners ETF (GDX), with specific reference to their value, gold production, and development assets, I’ll base my analysis on GDX’s objective and recent trends as of March 5, 2025. GDX tracks the NYSE Arca Gold Miners Index (GDMNTR), which includes 40–60 gold mining companies, weighted by modified market cap, with a focus on those deriving at least 50% of revenue from gold mining or related activities. The smallest companies typically have market caps in the $500 million to $1.2 billion range, though exact rankings shift with market fluctuations and quarterly rebalancing (next due March 21, 2025).

Since real-time holdings and precise 2025 data aren’t fully available without accessing the latest GDX portfolio snapshot (e.g., from vaneck.com), I’ll identify likely candidates based on historical patterns, recent performance, and known operational profiles up to early 2025. I’ll focus on value (market cap and stock metrics), gold production (current output), and development assets (future projects). Here’s the breakdown:



1. Equinox Gold Corp. (EQX)

Market Cap: ~$600–700 million (estimated early 2025).

Value: Trades on NYSE/TSX with a price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio often below 10 when gold prices dip, reflecting its smaller scale and operational risks. Its weighting in GDX is typically <0.5%.

Gold Production: Produced ~476,000 ounces in 2023, with 2024 output likely near 500,000 ounces across mines like Los Filos (Mexico) and Aurizona (Brazil). It’s a mid-tier producer with steady but not top-tier output.

Development Assets: Key projects include the Greenstone mine in Canada (first gold poured in 2024, targeting 400,000+ ounces annually at full capacity) and Castle Mountain Phase 2 (Nevada), still in development. These could double production long-term but require significant capital.



2. Torex Gold Resources Inc. (TXG.TO)

Market Cap: ~$700–800 million.

Value: Listed on TSX, often undervalued with a low P/E (~8–10) due to its single-asset focus. GDX weighting is usually <0.5%.

Gold Production: Produced ~453,000 ounces in 2023 from its El Limón-Guajes (ELG) complex in Mexico. 2024 output likely held steady, with guidance around 400,000–450,000 ounces.

Development Assets: The Media Luna project (Mexico), a copper-gold deposit tied to ELG, is nearing completion (first production expected late 2024/early 2025). It’s set to extend mine life and boost output to ~500,000 gold-equivalent ounces annually, enhancing future value.



3. Eldorado Gold Corporation (EGO)

Market Cap: ~$800–900 million.

Value: NYSE/TSX-listed, with a P/E often in the 10–12 range, reflecting moderate growth potential. GDX weighting is ~0.5–0.7%.

Gold Production: Produced ~485,000 ounces in 2023 across mines like Kisladag (Turkey) and Lamaque (Canada). 2024 output likely similar, with guidance of 475,000–515,000 ounces.

Development Assets: The Skouries project (Greece), a high-grade gold-copper deposit, is under construction (first production expected 2025–2026), targeting 140,000 ounces of gold annually plus copper. It’s a major growth driver but capital-intensive.



4. Coeur Mining, Inc. (CDE)

Market Cap: ~$900 million–$1 billion.

Value: NYSE-listed, often trades at a P/E of 15–20 due to mixed metal exposure (gold and silver). GDX weighting is ~0.6–0.8%.

Gold Production: Produced 317,000 ounces of gold in 2023, alongside significant silver output (10 million ounces), from assets like Rochester (Nevada) and Palmarejo (Mexico). 2024 gold output likely rose slightly with Rochester expansion online.

Development Assets: Rochester expansion (completed 2023/2024) aims to boost gold production to ~350,000–400,000 ounces annually. Silvertip (Canada), a polymetallic project, remains in exploration, with potential for future gold upside.


5. IAMGOLD Corporation (IAG)

Market Cap: ~$1 billion–$1.2 billion.

Value: NYSE/TSX-listed, P/E varies widely (10–15), reflecting operational volatility. GDX weighting is ~0.8–1%.

Gold Production: Produced ~465,000 ounces in 2023 from mines like Essakane (Burkina Faso) and Westwood (Canada). 2024 output likely grew with Côté Gold ramping up, targeting 500,000+ ounces.

Development Assets: Côté Gold (Canada), a 70%-owned project, poured first gold in Q1 2024, aiming for 365,000–410,000 ounces annually at peak. It’s a game-changer, but delays and costs have pressured valuation.


6. SSR Mining Inc. (SSRM) (if still in GDX)

Market Cap: ~$1 billion (volatile post-2024 Copler incident).

Value: NYSE/TSX-listed, P/E crashed after a 2024 mine suspension, trading at distressed levels (~5–7). GDX weighting historically ~0.8–1%, possibly lower now.

Gold Production: Produced ~623,000 gold-equivalent ounces in 2023, but 2024 output dropped sharply after the Copler (Turkey) suspension (est. 400,000–450,000 ounces).

Development Assets: Seabee (Canada) and Marigold (Nevada) expansions are modest, while Copler’s recovery (post-2024 landslide) remains uncertain, clouding future production growth.



Key Insights:
Value: These companies’ low market caps and GDX weightings (<1%) reflect their scale and risk. P/E ratios vary, with SSR Mining and Torex often cheapest, while Coeur’s silver exposure inflates its multiple.

Gold Production: Annual output ranges from 317,000 (Coeur) to ~623,000 (SSR pre-2024), far below GDX leaders like Newmont (5.5 million ounces). They’re mid-tier at best, sensitive to gold price swings.

Development Assets: Growth hinges on projects like Greenstone (Equinox), Media Luna (Torex), and Côté Gold (IAMGOLD), which promise higher output but carry execution risks. SSR’s stalled Copler recovery contrasts with Eldorado’s Skouries potential.




Caveats:

These rankings are estimates based on early 2025 trends, as market caps shift daily and GDX’s exact bottom-tier holdings require the latest portfolio update. Smaller firms like B2Gold or OceanaGold might edge out some of these depending on rebalancing. For precise data, check GDX’s current holdings on vaneck.com or the NYSE Arca Index site. Want me to refine this with a web search for the latest snapshot?
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I spent time with Grok3 regarding the GDXJ shortfall, what I got back was it appeared the weighting was correct, based on what numbers I found on Morningstar.


When I was there I asked it to combine the current Telfer production to a forecasted Havieron production, then create value based on current POG. It will forecast market cap based on these scenarios. Have a go, great reading.
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I will do Ivan. Really like the look of those mid cap comps in Coeur Mining and I Am Gold.

Both are very close to GGP with Telfer WDDs and Hav in the pipeline.

Pan African resources is Aim listed (and was admitted last year to the GDX) so we know they take AIM cos.

https://www.londonstockexchange.com/ind ... ents/table. (sort by Mcap)

I reckon it’s a certainty that we make GDX this year… maybe they will want to see a years production, but Telfer is a proven

Basically we appear to absolutely sale through all GDX criteria.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts Hydro and Ivan. Love the analysis.

I'll probably make a fool of myself and highlight my limited understanding of my investment here.

Do you think that GDX qualification may have to wait for the Havieron feasibility study and a decision to mine?
The Telfer figures are promising, but the mine life is currently 12-15 months, if I understand the latest corporate presentation correctly.

Perhaps we will need a bit more long-term certainty for qualification, but I agree that the way things are moving, it should be inevitable!
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